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Post by jpar on Oct 26, 2004 12:49:00 GMT -5
You can, you just can't move them off the line or out of position before the snap.
MOVING DEFENSIVE PLAYERS: Can only move one player manually on defense before snap, and must remain that player until ball is snapped. However, on punt returns and FGs, you can move any one player, either a LB or DB, a maximum of 10 yards off the line of scrimmage just in case of fake punts or fake FGs. You cannot move any defensive lineman individually, but you can use the LB and DL shift buttons. This also means you cannot stack any lineman and glitz blitz.
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Post by dawgs18 on Oct 26, 2004 13:04:55 GMT -5
Well, the rules may need to be revised about the Dline sweep. I say outlaw it. Too effective and if we say to use it at a minimum then whose to say how many times that is. I vote no on ballot 1! lol, that being no D line sweep.
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Post by hackett on Oct 26, 2004 13:07:45 GMT -5
Hey, you can condescend me all you want, but the truth is out there. The rules either need to be clarified or people need to stop complaining about them. There is no rule against looping the DL, no rule against bump and run all game, no rule against shifting defenses to overload the OL, no rule against defensive playmakers to set up blitzes, no rule against running unbumpable routes, no rule against juke or spin glitches, no rule against manually rushing a DE. Basically, the rules are WIDE OPEN for this type of play abuse, and the people complaining are some of the people who abuse these left out rules! Basically, people are only complaining when they lose games. Heck, I complained when I got bump and run blitzed all game. Why? Because I got shut out. Was the complaint valid? Yes! Would I have complained if I won? Probably not. The rules need to be re-written, not selectively enforced. I used to complain about this game all the time, but then I started to understand it better. And I started to see that the "real NFL" excuse wasn't flying anymore, not when teams were blitzing every down and running trick plays every week. But I joined a league to have structure. I feel like this league has that, it just needs to be revamped so that EVERY player understands and follows the rules to a T. once again thanks for sharing....if it wasn't for superior video game athletes such as yourself, i just don't know if i could go on playing madden not knowing. thank you thank you thank you
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Post by jpar on Oct 26, 2004 13:08:52 GMT -5
I say the rules need to be revised on alot of stuff if you want to eliminate discussion on rule bending. Make them clear and concise so there can be no debate. I'd much rather play by strict rules than let someone else bend them while I'm limited to my interpretation.
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Post by jpar on Oct 26, 2004 13:10:13 GMT -5
once again thanks for sharing....if it wasn't for superior video game athletes such as yourself, i just don't know if i could go on playing madden not knowing. thank you thank you thank you I'm not the only "superior video game athlete" in this league, as evidenced by the records sported by some teams that are rated lesser than others. You're kidding yourself if you think they're winning as a result of superior football knowlege. I'd be willing to bet that most of the guys with the worst records know more about the game of football than the guys with good records. If you're going to complain about something, you should probably be open for discussion on the matter rather than being a smart@ss.
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Post by hackett on Oct 26, 2004 13:25:15 GMT -5
i'm just wondering why you are trying to defend this sort of play.....it is boarderline cheese. how many times have you seen a defensive end with 60+ sacks in a season? i did it in franchise mode....2 years in a row now. yes, i cheese the computer.
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Post by jpar on Oct 26, 2004 13:26:58 GMT -5
i'm just wondering why you are trying to defend this sort of play.....it is boarderline cheese. how many times have you seen a defensive end with 60+ sacks in a season? i did it in franchise mode....2 years in a row now. yes, i cheese the computer. I'm not defending it. I'm calling for one of 2 things: Either define the rules more clearly and limit interpretation of the rules, or teach SAPML members how to beat it and let them play. I'd prefer to see it limited, but since I see my opponents use it religiously, I will use it, too. May the best DL win.
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Post by hackett on Oct 26, 2004 13:36:47 GMT -5
i know how to beat it, so it is not like i am complaining about it because of a loss or anything, i haven't lost a game because of this....there is a thing called sportsmanship and that is why we ultimately play in leagues, so we know that we are getting a most true to the game experience as we can. i like to call a variety of plays, not the same one over and over or hot routing every time.
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Post by Poundtherock on Oct 26, 2004 13:50:05 GMT -5
Dawgs, I know you don't like to read long posts so for you, "we are working on things." ;D
I want to preface this post that when you have 32 players with teams that there are always differing opinions. That is why we formed the rules committee to write the rules for the league, trying to come up the most effective way in creating a level playing field because EA keeps changing the game. We knew the D was going to be better this year but no one could suspect that by mid-year players were going to be looking for and finding ways to enhance it even more. And sad to say, the folks at VG help out in the sense, IMO, a little too much.
The rules committee has had complaints registered in this league in regards to some or all of the above subjects contained in the player posts, most of them coming just recently. We have been looking at these issues and there will most likely be some changes coming in the near future, possibly doing away with a rule or two, amending another or intituting a new one. Some you will like, some you might not. But all, I think, will agree, that something MUST be done and done soon or the very foundation of the league may suffer a crack.
The playing field is not level at this point in time and defensive scenarios are being abused according to complaints we have gotten.
I have used the 'lineman spread" since Season I and I still use it in Season III. There is one difference. I do not use a blitz when I spread the linemen this season as the blitz rushing three or more was resulting in unfavorable comments from a lot of leagues because there was no way to stop it when the O line overmatched. In, fact, the last time I was in the MM room, there was still discussion of banning that particular scenario. I haven't been there in a while so they may not have done anything.
That seems to be the main topic here so that is why I mention it. Whether or not we do anything about it is under consideration.
I will mention this, a glitch to some may not be a glitch to others and vice versa. When the committee addresses a current rule for amending or dropping, or looks to adding a rule, it is done with both the offense and defense in mind. THIS IS NOT THE REAL WORLD, and we do not view it as such. When the offense was overshadowing the defense, we adjusted. In many members opinions now, the defense overshadows the offense. However, we must be careful that we don't take a problem now and make it worse.
Everybody is going to look for the easiest and best way to win, that is human nature. But if that is all there is to the game, then the fun and sport of it is gone! I believe all of us do not want that to happen.
We read your posts and your viewpoints are respected.
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Post by PFeels on Oct 26, 2004 13:57:00 GMT -5
Dawgs ain't the only one who doesn't read the long post, this thread is like homework ...lol
I need to spread my D or I can't stop the outside run ...
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