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Post by Commish on Nov 1, 2004 7:53:52 GMT -5
Another hot item...league guidelines state to vary up plays on offense and defense. The corner would fall under that. Some have mentioned other leagues have rules that say you can only use a corner route once per possession or less in some cases. Any comments or suggestions on ways to keep the abuse of this play in check.
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Post by dawgs18 on Nov 1, 2004 9:33:46 GMT -5
I am really starting to hate this F****ng game! Thank God for GTA and Halo 2.
I am not sure how we can put a rule on this except to encourage mixing of plays. The streak rarely works, curl routes will be hit sticked, drags can work but close to a corner route.
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Post by Gladiator on Nov 1, 2004 13:21:31 GMT -5
My opinion, I can understand that the league is trying to provide as level a playing field as possible and give everyone a chance, but limiting the offense to certain plays may be taking things a bit too far.
With all due respect to those who would like to see corner route plays restricted, please hear me out.
1) If it is mandated that a member may only use a corner route 1 out of every 3 downs, what happens if I get a first down on every play that I use a corner route on? Technically, I may not be breaking a rule, especially if I am using different formations and multiple receiver sets. One could agrue that I was mixing my plays. ( Not that I would do this. Please remember this is just a cited example)
2) If it is mandated that a member may only use a corner route 1 out of every 3 downs, what happens if on first down I use a corner route. On second down, the defense knows that I cannot use that route again, therefore calls a defense to cover almost every option I have. But lo and behold, my slot WR is open on another corner route. What are my choices? Take a sack for a loss? Force a bad throw into double coverage and hope for the best? Throw the ball away?
Heck, one might argue that a good running team can only run the ball a certain number of times a game. And how many members would like that?
The previous problems of B-N-R and spreading the line were important issues that needed addressing to some degree because of members taking advantage. But the corner routes problem is a different animal. The first two are conscience and deliberate choices a player makes. There is no doubt as to the play the defense is making. Corner routes are just an option of a possible 3-4 different routes a WR makes and I thought any good QB was taught to hit the open receiver. I do not think that it is fair to penalize the offense because the defense can not call the right "D" to stop someone.
In closing, league commishes I can sympathize with you on the task that you have in trying to please as many members as possible to provide an enjoyable atmosphere. I, too, would like to see members mix the plays up instead of using moneys plays. But it seems to me that it would be extremely difficult in making a black and white rule to deter members.
Again, this is just an opinion. I feel that this issue should stay a guideline concern but if the league administration gets enough feedback from the league members about a particular member who is abusing corner routes, then action should be taken.
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Post by Tony79 on Nov 1, 2004 13:30:32 GMT -5
This is getting out of hand. Were starting to restrict plays after plays, offense and defense. Just crazy. Problem is, you need people in the league, that have respect and want a good sim style league. If someone does run a corner route everytime or everytime he needs a big play. Thats just crap, guys have to mix it up, but rules can go only so far, Its up to the indivduals in a league.
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Post by PFeels on Nov 1, 2004 17:58:59 GMT -5
Lets can 05 and go back to 04 and it's funny but I was thinking something on the line of you can only use the same play 4 times a game ... damn, that is crazy
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Post by Commish on Nov 1, 2004 18:59:29 GMT -5
before everyone jumps the gun..this was brought up to be discussed in an open forum to see what others think. this issue was mentioned to me so i floated it to the league to see what others might think. i do appreciate the feedback however.
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Post by GoPanthers98 on Nov 1, 2004 20:12:17 GMT -5
If theres a rule on this too I might just have to up and go, Im not a huge fan of the corner route but do use it on occasion, but its very simple to stop. Nickel cover 3, dime cover 3, double coverage with a bump and a blitz, manually covering it. It's not that hard to stop, and although I disrespect people that abuse this route I almost hate the people that sit in man coverage all game and then complain about not being able to stop the corner route, take it from a High School cornerbacks view any route to the outside is hard to cover especially in man to man
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Post by jpar on Nov 2, 2004 9:55:52 GMT -5
I think it was me that brought this up and the main reason I mentioned it was because we were going to start limiting the defense. I didn't think it was right to limit the defense and not the offense. Trust me, if you know how to throw the corner route, the only way to beat it is with decent pressure and manual coverage. Gladiator makes a good point about it will usually net you a first down, and I like Pfeels idea about running the same play only 4 times a game. But Gladiator makes the best point about people playing sim style ball...
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Post by dazednconfused on Nov 2, 2004 12:00:23 GMT -5
Just a thought. I have had great sucess in covering the corner routes by doing this. I hit man lock off gives the look of zone. I then double the slot WR. Thats who it seems does the corner the most. I also bump the outside WR manually because the saftey is the one who doubles. It has worked alot for me just a thought again. I think that it would be tough to limit a pass route. However if you need to use it as yuor only source of offense then maybe you need to dig into your playbook more. Dazed.
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Post by PFeels on Nov 2, 2004 15:32:47 GMT -5
Just a thought. I have had great sucess in covering the corner routes by doing this. I hit man lock off gives the look of zone. I then double the slot WR. Thats who it seems does the corner the most. I also bump the outside WR manually because the saftey is the one who doubles. It has worked alot for me just a thought again. I think that it would be tough to limit a pass route. However if you need to use it as yuor only source of offense then maybe you need to dig into your playbook more. Dazed. I think thats part of the real problem ... you can't just play this game and enjoy it, you have to know it inside and out more so than any of years past games ... maybe they made it to complicated and forgot the fun factor or maybe I'm just getting lazy and don't think I should take night classes to compete ... lol
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Post by dazednconfused on Nov 2, 2004 16:13:54 GMT -5
I think thats part of the real problem ... you can't just play this game and enjoy it, you have to know it inside and out more so than any of years past games ... maybe they made it to complicated and forgot the fun factor or maybe I'm just getting lazy and don't think I should take night classes to compete ... lol I fell you man. Can't get a str8 game to save your life. Dazed.
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Post by cskinner316 on Nov 16, 2004 18:40:28 GMT -5
I am not anti-corner route because everybody uses them. I just hate the fact the people use them as "money plays". If you need a big play people figure there are going to complete them 9 times out of 10 so i will throw one. I would rather get beat by somebody who mixing up everything very well and has me guessing.
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Post by gregobomb84 on Nov 20, 2004 16:52:10 GMT -5
We just need plays to stop them.
Nickel cover 2 works
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Post by Commish on Dec 4, 2004 22:05:32 GMT -5
my feeling is...if you run it 4 or 5 times a game thats fine. Its not like the route is a secret, and it can be defended. On defense when the offense comes out in twins or trips on a second or 3rd and long you have to expect that route. There are plenty of defenses to stop it. If you dont plan for it, and get burned by it...thats the defense problem IMO. But if your opponent is running it 10 times a game..that is overdoing it.
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Post by Petrags23 on Dec 5, 2004 11:05:24 GMT -5
What are all those ways to defend corners, Shanks?
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