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Post by Gladiator on Dec 8, 2004 12:46:33 GMT -5
Got a question and please don`t read into this. Usually out of respect when my opponent comes out in a 2 WR set, I match that formation with a 4-3, 3-4, or 46 defense. Even on 3rd downs.
Lately I`ve been seeing guys coming out in dimes, nickels, and even quarters when I come out in a 2 WR set on 3rd down.
Am I missing the boat on this? Isn`t that considered audibling down when you "coverage audible" and the CB`s go into LB positions?
I don`t mean to start another issue but with all the things going on, I thought that maybe some input on this would be good as well. If this tactic is acceptable then I may have to use it as well. I would prefer not to but "when in Rome.........."
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Post by Tony79 on Dec 8, 2004 12:55:27 GMT -5
glad if there coming out in these formations on 3rd down there probably expecting a passing play enabling them to get 3cbs in with 1 or 2 lbs. I dont see anything wrong with that. audibling down would be coming out in quarters or dime or even nickel and audibling into a 4-3 so your cbs are now playing linebacker. I play 4-3 a lot when my guys out with a 3wr set to mix it up, or i also come out with a nickel zone or man to counter the twin 2 wr set so i have a cb on the rb as well as with the two wrs.
But audibiling down would be a passing defense and CONSTANTLY audibiling to a 4-3, 4-6 etc formation. hope this explains it, but this is my opinion only. anthony
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Post by Poundtherock on Dec 8, 2004 14:01:47 GMT -5
To me, coverage audilble and audibling down are close but different. ;D Coverage audible doesn't change your basic formation whether it be a run defense or pass defense. If you come out and it shows 2 wr set and I say well he might pass or run,,then I might come out in a dime and then coverage shift that pulls the two CBs in closer to the MLB. If you pass the CBs go to defend. If you run, then they attack the RB. To me that is not audibling down. If you come out and it shows 2 WR set and I say well he might pass and I decide to call Quarters and then decide later that you might run and I call an audible that is a 4-3, that is in effect audibling down. However, with all the formation changes that you can do on both offense and defense that that rule may be outdated by now. I mean, really, the "today" Madden defense hurts you if you use it incorrectly by sticking a LB on the LOS, etc. Just opinion ( (expletive)) speaking, ;D, so that makes me completely able to deny any of the above.
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Post by papinjohn on Dec 8, 2004 15:50:57 GMT -5
What if someone is calling Quarters or Dime all game regardless of down or situation? Unfortunately, Madden does not penalize a player enough to prevent someone from doing it.
You are in a sense putting faster players on the field.
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Post by Poundtherock on Dec 8, 2004 15:56:47 GMT -5
I agree, Pap, but wouldn't that come under the old guidline of "mixing up plays" and trying to be as close to game as possible? I'm still campaigning for that guideline to be made a rule and enforced. ;D
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Post by papinjohn on Dec 8, 2004 16:30:44 GMT -5
You would think that would fall under the guidelines but it's seems the defensive side of the ball does not meet that criteria.
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Post by Poundtherock on Dec 8, 2004 17:13:35 GMT -5
I am believing that too of late.
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Post by Commish on Dec 8, 2004 21:56:43 GMT -5
If you come out in nickel/dime/quarters you cannot audible to a 4-3/3-4/goaline...unless the offense audibles to a different formation. The offense is limited to audibling up rather than down to a formation that would put a w/o at a TE or RB position. So in essence there would never be a reason to audible down on defense. As PTR stated if you do the coverage audible it will bring the safties or other DBs down to the LB position or along the line of scrimmage to better cover the rreceivers.
Personally i dont see a problem with someone coming out in a nickel/dime/quarter if they think a pass is coming, (2nd or 3rd and long), even if you are in a 2wr set. Some of the TE's in the league are hard to cover with a LB...the Raiders Teo Johnson being one since he is so dam fast for a TE. But if someone is using per se the nickel as their base defense every play regardless of what the offense comes out in i would think that would be in violation of the guidelines.
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Post by jpar on Dec 8, 2004 22:21:37 GMT -5
I think that people should be able to come out in quarters and dime, but ONLY if in long yardage situations, or if your opponent has set a precedent of passing alot.
For example, if on the first play of the game, I run, gain 2 yards and then come out in the same formation on 2nd down, I DO NOT expect to see a dime or quarters defense? Why? Because I haven't thrown a pass yet! I look at my post game stats... I have them emailed to me. My 2nd down run to pass ratio is almost ALWAYS 50%. I have enough confidence in my run game to run the ball on 2nd and long. 3rd and long is a different story.
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Post by manimal10 on Jan 6, 2005 22:11:29 GMT -5
not to bring up the corner issue, it seems corner routes can be done from 2 wr sets alot this year, even from the spit reciver set, so if you come out in dime thinking that is happening so be it. if people want to abuse the corner route in this league like they do already a proven fact just look at the posts about it. then just live with people coming out in dime or quarter on first down. because if you say yo cant do this , and i come out in 3-4 or 4-3 on 1st dwn or 2nd and short and someone does 2wr set and does 50yrd corner route on me because i was not allowed to play my defense than i am going to be one un happy camper. if you want to put rules on def than only allow corner routes on 3rd and long over 10 yards , or just live with the pass prevent def people are coming up with in every situation t stop the cheesy corner route.!!!
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