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Post by manimal10 on Dec 6, 2004 19:11:27 GMT -5
bottom line just get rid of all the restrictions all together and let people play. every thing you take away in a rule, just opens up a new and worse way to abuse it. d line loop is actually good for the league it forces people to stay in the pocket and not drop back 15 to 20 yards. the corner route is not that good if you dont roll to that side the d line loop stops that from happening. the rules are just benefitting some people that are cheesy and making good ballers lose. crazy corner routes and if i see 1 more unrealistic 9 men in the box and cant go deep on cb , im going to commit suicide. from now on im doing what ever want and what ever it takes to win for or against the rules. if people dont like just throw me out im sick of loser dirtbags , cheesing every game and getting there way. big deal petrags gets a strike, his bad actions won him the game but he gets strike and win, that is retarded. so anytime to win i need a big play i will cheese my but off, get the win and than very nicely take a strike and the win. it sounds really stupid doesn't it. if you have to argue about rules to member even once there not for this league just ban him. so pretty much im sick of this crap and think im done, gl to everyone and i hope you crush all there stupid cheesy asses. the more rules we make to stop cheese the more cheese happens, when are you guys going to realize that. if you dont have members that can just play a normal game why bother anyway. no one is stupid people know dam well what is cheesey or stupid. they are just losers and not talent bums
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Post by Poundtherock on Dec 6, 2004 19:17:23 GMT -5
I think that might be some of what I was trying to say in a nice way, Manimal, but you might have said it best. The more we restrict, the more problems come up. Maybe we made a mistake in gettiing rid of the d0line spread because that is when the Corner route thing showed up. As I said earlier, the more we restrict, the more we will have to restrict. Careful as we go forth................
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Post by manimal10 on Dec 6, 2004 19:28:24 GMT -5
take petrags out of my last post i said the wrong name
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Post by manimal10 on Dec 6, 2004 19:30:40 GMT -5
new rule from now on if you cheese , you get strike and automatic loss, no questions asked. maybe that would stop the little wussies from cheesei
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Post by PFeels on Dec 6, 2004 19:36:57 GMT -5
problem is defining what is cheese is a grey area ... why so much trouble when we are just trying to play a stupid video game ... I say we ask EA to allow 11 players on each team (11 people from their PS2's each take a position and another 11 on the other team) ... then we buck up sides and screw all the rules, go for broke ...
people should know by now what good sportsmanship and whats bogus ...
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Post by manimal10 on Dec 6, 2004 19:40:21 GMT -5
your right people should just know, if not give em the booooooooooooooot!!!!!! can sum it up in one word people.
COMMON SENSE!!!!!!!
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Post by teamlegacy on Dec 6, 2004 19:50:18 GMT -5
interesting to hear opinions on this thread match actual game play. most of you guys are way more talented than I as evidenced by all of the movement, shifting and audibling pre snap after seeing my offense.
i prefer to call a play move one player and be done, thats just me (it levels the field for league games) and execution (arcade) becomes the game rather than coaching (more advanced)
I too would like an answer either way. I don't want to think poorly of people I consider friends if they corner route me to beat me. I'd rather just lose and say, "good win man".
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Post by Commish on Dec 6, 2004 23:46:08 GMT -5
Manimal, unfortunately its not that easy. How do you prove someone "abused" the corner...its only word of mouth. As the Commish, to be fair, you have to wait until a pattern develops afther a few games before you can determine if someone is actually breaking the rules on a consistent basis. If i kicked people out after every complaint, there would be no one left, at all. And how can i trust there everyone who says something about someone is being 100% honest...
And PTR, i think hackett best explains the consensus defination of the corner...any position can run it, RB, TE but the most used and successful position to run the route is the Slot WR.
I have already recieved emails from people who plan to quit at the end of the season because they feel they are under such a microscope, afraid to run the route at all. And they happen to be good owners and havent had a single complaint about gameplay. Go figure that one out.
As a league, we are going to firmly set a rule/guideline on this subject...it may mean freeing up the defensive restrictions set or free up the use of corners and force all of our defenses to adjust in a way to slow them down or stop them. The only reason i think people complain about them is because such a big stink has been made. If there wasnt so much controversey about this route i dont think most people would think twice if they had them run against them 5 or 10 times in a game...thats my IMO
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Post by hackett on Dec 7, 2004 2:26:13 GMT -5
thats true in a way commish, i mean if we allow the d-line spread and bump and run along with playmaker....im sure i would be averaging close to 10 sacks a game between freeney and mathis ;D but i dont agree with the d-line spread/playmaker combo. what is there to be said that hasn't already about it? nothing that i can see.....there is no easy way to go about it when you have a league of 32 members with over half of us not knowing each other makes it even worse. i just think if a person was not so concerned with a win, it wouldn't be an issue. i suck this year, so i dont even bother with the corner routes cause if i cant move the ball any other way than that.....then i deserve to lose. the closest i come to using a corner route is out of a bunch that goes to my tight end. big whoop 10-20 yd gain at best and i might run it 3 times at most in a game. and then its not garunteed to work. i personally have only seen a couple of guys that have abused the corner routes in this league, but once again i suck....so they dont have to go to it ;D
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Post by Poundtherock on Dec 7, 2004 6:03:42 GMT -5
And PTR, i think hackett best explains the consensus defination of the corner...any position can run it, RB, TE but the most used and successful position to run the route is the Slot WR. Commish, I'm still trying to get my original question posted above fully explained, so let me see if I have this correct. ALL PASS ROUTES BY ANY WR, TE, RB, REGARDLESS OF WHERE HE LINES UP, WILL BE RESTRICTED FROM RUNNING A PASS ROUTE THAT GOES TOWARD THE CORNER?
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Post by PFeels on Dec 7, 2004 6:19:53 GMT -5
Commish, I'm still trying to get my original question posted above fully explained, so let me see if I have this correct. ALL PASS ROUTES BY ANY WR, TE, RB, REGARDLESS OF WHERE HE LINES UP, WILL BE RESTRICTED FROM RUNNING A PASS ROUTE THAT GOES TOWARD THE CORNER? DAMN !!! I have very few plays that work (because I still suck) but my TE breaking for the sidelines is one of my fav's and I use it two to three times a game ... I think rules shouldn't apply to people who suck, mainly because no matter what they do they still suck ... lol
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Post by Commish on Dec 7, 2004 7:18:11 GMT -5
were not looking at an all out ban...but thats the defination of the route in question.
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Post by Poundtherock on Dec 7, 2004 7:19:44 GMT -5
Wow!
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Post by Tony79 on Dec 7, 2004 9:30:16 GMT -5
Like underdogg and hackett have explained, the abuse on the corner route is an inside slot receiver, regardless if its in trips or 2 wr sets to one side. If a RB ot TE run the corner route Im not to worried about that and being an abuse play.
I think maybe we should start making scouting reports mandatory after every game. Not singling out an owner but atleast it gives people a pattern of how their passing game, running game, and defensive game is. Again these reports shouldn't be bashing time, but instead we can state, hey on 3rd and long this guy likes to throw corner routes. I think the problem with this now is everyone is going to be so afraid to throw these routes which is not fair either. Its a hard subject to find an answer, but i think people know when they are overusing a certain play or route or when they are mixing it up. Games ive played, in particular with Hackett if he throws a corner route i dont get mad, cuase he is one guy that mixes up all his plays, so then it doesnt matter to me. Its the guys that constantly run those routes. Then they will either throw the corner route and hot route their outside receiver to run a streak, so inessence when your playing the safety to counter the corner route he throws it deep.
I just really think there is no easy answer in this conflict.
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Post by GoPanthers98 on Dec 7, 2004 15:53:34 GMT -5
I do find that people scream cheese too soon sometimes from all the restrictions. I myself am probably guilty of it as well, but there's been occasions where I'll split my line not even thinking, not do the loop-de-loop, and have my opponent being pissed about it. The whole point of the rule was to eliminate the loop-de-loop right? You can throw one huge corner route in a game, against a blitz or a cover 2, and it may get you a TD, and they could be pissed. The rules need to be there, but it's a shame everyone gets their panties tied in a bunch over them too. I barely ever see the losing party of a game post a positive game recap anymore, when I first came here it seemed like EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE got along great and took their losses and wins the same way. Now, it's a completely different story. Seems like everytime someone loses it's because of a corner route or because your opponent did something cheesy. I can understand frustration if your opponent throws like 5 corner routes against coverages that are suppossed to stop the routes, but what I don't understand is when people sit in cover 2 or cover 4 or blitz and get so pissed off about someone throwing a corner route. That route would most likely be open in the NFL against these coverages so you shouldn't cry. Man cover 2, double coverage, under man, nickel cover 3, dime quarters spy, I can understand you being pissed if an opponent completes 2-5 corner routes against these defenses. They shouldnt be completions, but they are because this game has it's loopholes and will have them every year.
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