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Post by Commish on Dec 5, 2004 21:29:28 GMT -5
Again, opinions are more than welcome. This has become a serious and daily issue as far as complaints go and does warrant some league input.
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Post by GoPanthers98 on Dec 5, 2004 23:03:40 GMT -5
I think the corner route is definetely stoppable, the problem with it is, you have to either get lucky or leave the middle of the field wide open or be vulnerable to the deep ball or passes to the flats. A lot of times you will even have the right coverage for it but it will be thrown a certain way, a perfect way if you'd call it, and it's near unstoppable. And that's fine cause a perfectly thrown ball beats zone coverage if you hit the window in the real NFL, the only thing that pisses me off is doubling the reciever that you KNOW is going to get the ball on the corner route, never works. The Safety will overpursue, and the cornerback always finds himself trailing the reciever by about 3-5 steps. This means whenever you play man there's about a 9 out of 10 chance he's going to catch it for a big gain. I don't know, but it's a shame this is so affective, it's just like the fly route last year, you could have triple coverage on Moss or any tall reciever and he'd catch it.
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Post by UnderDogg003 on Dec 6, 2004 11:15:15 GMT -5
If im allowed to always bump and run i can stop corner routes about 80% of the time.
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Post by Poundtherock on Dec 6, 2004 12:15:24 GMT -5
I voted do nothing................until I get some answers to my earlier post in the "Game Discussion" thread. Commish, got a question, or maybe two. Are we all on the same page as to what a "corner route" entails? Is the corner route spoken of here any route that is so named in the playbook? Is the corner route spoken of here any route that a WR ends up running toward the corner? Is the corner route spoken of here any route that any pass receiver, WR or RB or TE, ends up running toward the corner? Is the corner route spoken of here mean that it is a corner route regardless of where the receiver started from? I know these are somewhat infantile questions, but sometimes the simplified verbage used here regarding corner routes sounds like it would be ANY pass receiver, wherever he may come from, ends up running to the corner. IS that the case? I guess that was more than two questions. ;D What happens when somebody up and says, "I can't stop that out pattern or that drag route? We have to stop and think about restricting certain "plays." It could very well end up as a "can of worms." From the looks of things there are a lot of ways to counter a corner route so it is not a "game glitch." I think a lot of it has to do with WHEN you use a counter play to stop any route, corner or otherwise. Restricting a play is a lot different than restricting a line shift, etc. And even after we ruled out the line spread, now everybody is spreading the LBs and blitzing the outside on all downs. ;D ;D
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Post by UnderDogg003 on Dec 6, 2004 13:36:36 GMT -5
my definition of a corner route is the Slot WR running a corner route. That includes a trips formation when a reciever other than the outside reciever runs a route to the corner.
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Post by Poundtherock on Dec 6, 2004 13:41:56 GMT -5
Thanks for that info, Dogg. Anybody else?
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Post by Petrags23 on Dec 6, 2004 14:34:56 GMT -5
Something needs to be done about them, because just stating "to mix and use a variety of plays" in the rules is obviously to broad and is NOT working, as everyone can see with all the complaints that are coming in.
It's a touchy subject, but if everyone would just quit using them so damn much, it wouldn't be a problem. But people won't stop using them, so we need to limit the amount that can be run. It's sad that you have to make a rule saying how many you can run, but if it will stop people from abusing it then that's what has to be done, IMO.
Like I said, if everyone would just mix up the pass routes it wouldn't be a problem.
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Post by gregobomb84 on Dec 6, 2004 16:19:42 GMT -5
Half the time I know they are coming I cant stop them.
If someone has a fast DE after the snap rush him back there.
I have seen WR corner routes and even RB's do them.
Maybe even a TE if he's out on a 4 wr set.
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Post by Poundtherock on Dec 6, 2004 16:57:06 GMT -5
Half the time I know they are coming I cant stop them. If someone has a fast DE after the snap rush him back there. I have seen WR corner routes and even RB's do them. Maybe even a TE if he's out on a 4 wr set. See, that's exactly what I was questioning above. Underdogg rightfully says "a WR is his definition of a corner route from the Slot with the WR running a corner route. That includes a trips formation when a reciever other than the outside reciever runs a route to the corner." And if all of the above that GTBS allided to, and I questioned in my post earlier, do we restrict those also? See where this is going?
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Post by hackett on Dec 6, 2004 17:40:59 GMT -5
a corner route is just that. anyone can run one from anywhere on the field. it just so happens that the slot reciever is the best person to throw this "pattern" to.
i voted to do nothing......some say that this gameplay is going to continue. the easiest way to cure a disease is to get rid of it. this is going to get nasty, but strikes must fly when rules are broken and if you have 3 strikes, guess what.....you're gone and i challenge someone to try to see how far you can bend the rules because shanks has had enough of the B.S.
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Post by Poundtherock on Dec 6, 2004 17:54:01 GMT -5
Hackett, you are saying that all corner routes you are alluding to is the same corner route that the Commish is talking about? Please be specific.
And as far as the Commish goes, he is always serious when it comes to strikes. I think that is a given without comment.
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Post by hackett on Dec 6, 2004 18:04:05 GMT -5
im saying a corner route is a corner route, commish and most likely the rest of the league is going to point towards the slot reciever being the target of it. that is the most effective reciever to throw it to. i add comment to the strike system because the league in general has taken it lightly. i know that the commish is serious with that area, but i think until a couple of owners are booted for an accumulation of the "3 strikes and your out" method for whatever rules that were broken.....we will continue to have issues with sportsmanship.
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Post by Poundtherock on Dec 6, 2004 18:14:28 GMT -5
You know, I question whether the corner routes that you speak of includes the corner route, per se, that that is the villian route that the Commish speaks of, since it has never been specifically spelled out. Maybe we will find out in the next few days
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Post by hackett on Dec 6, 2004 18:51:59 GMT -5
i'm sure that is the corner route that is causing the pot to be stirred.
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Post by Poundtherock on Dec 6, 2004 18:56:42 GMT -5
a corner route is just that. anyone can run one from anywhere on the field. it just so happens that the slot reciever is the best person to throw this "pattern" to. i voted to do nothing......some say that this gameplay is going to continue. the easiest way to cure a disease is to get rid of it. this is going to get nasty, but strikes must fly when rules are broken and if you have 3 strikes, guess what.....you're gone and i challenge someone to try to see how far you can bend the rules because shanks has had enough of the B.S. This is what I was referring to is the generalization to all corner routes. Are you now saying that it is a specific corner route as Underdogg did? And if so, what so we can be aware of it?
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