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Post by rockdawg on Oct 22, 2006 18:41:14 GMT -5
But can u please tell me why, I have to match the offensive formation on Defense. Why dont we just make a rule that NO DEFENSE IS ALLOWED? Hell sometimes I pick my defense before the offense.
This is plain ridiculous.. I'm going to play a defense that works. If my 3-4 or 4-3 does not match well why would i run it? All everyone does is complain in this league, that u cant do this or you cant do that.
This is a SIM league right? Well where in the NFL do u see the defense catering to the offense, (well except to the Browns)?
OK, thats my whine for today..
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Post by Gladiator on Oct 22, 2006 20:53:34 GMT -5
Why dont we just make a rule that NO DEFENSE IS ALLOWED? I thought that`s how you were playing already....... I'm going to play a defense that works. I think you still need to find that......... OK, thats my whine for today.. Just the one? I`m impressed......... ;D OK, seriously now, I know how you feel Rock but with the AI it`s only fair to match up offense to defense. In the real NFL if a DIME came out against a BIG offensive formation, by rights the HB should get big time yards. In Madden that doesn`t happen all the time. So, in an effort to make it fair we want the "o" to match the "d". Sure we would want the league to be SIM, but the AI just doesn`t allow it to be totally SIM. That`s why we have some of these rules in place. To make sure players are not taken advantage of. If anything, I feel that this helps you more than hinders you. If you played against a better rated team that played Dime or Quarters whenver they wanted, I think you would have a more difficult time moving the ball. But, that`s my opinion.
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Post by rockdawg on Oct 22, 2006 21:10:19 GMT -5
It's all good... Like I said was just whining... Those were great comebacks though.... LOL.. I'm laughing so much, I can't even respond.. I'll get u on Thursday.. ;D
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Post by Gladiator on Oct 22, 2006 21:43:38 GMT -5
Hee, hee..............
I can`t wait. If my game is off, at least I can still try to talk trash to you.
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Post by ChuckDiesel on Oct 23, 2006 7:20:00 GMT -5
I don't see a problem with a nickel D vs. a normal 2RB, 2WR, 1TE formation but anything higher like a DIME vs. that same offense is kinda silly and only works because of the Madden AI. I can only shake my head whenever I line up in an I-form and see DIME defense against me. But it pisses me off to no end when I get stuffed and can't run on that same DIME defense that NO nfl offense would have trouble doing.
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Post by dazednconfused on Oct 23, 2006 7:25:46 GMT -5
I don't see a problem with a nickel D vs. a normal 2RB, 2WR, 1TE formation but anything higher like a DIME vs. that same offense is kinda silly and only works because of the Madden AI. I can only shake my head whenever I line up in an I-form and see DIME defense against me. But it pisses me off to no end when I get stuffed and can't run on that same DIME defense that NO nfl offense would have trouble doing. I agree. A nickle is not tha bad against those sets at all. Like you said though If I come out in a 1 WR formation and a dime defense is called thats very silly as you would put it. ;D
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Post by Commish on Oct 23, 2006 8:18:50 GMT -5
I can agree with the nickel...that defense is kind of a tweener that can work against 1, 2, or 5 wide...
The dime and quarters shouldnt be used unless there are more WRs or its a definate passing situation.
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Post by rockdawg on Oct 23, 2006 8:26:45 GMT -5
My only point is that sometimes using dime or nickel is the only way to can matchup especially when playing stronger teams. Owners will throw to their RB out the backfield and against my LBs (depending on the defense ya call)
If I play dime (which I dont do every play), i can get a better matchup and maybe bring some pressure at the same time.
I just feel when u are playing with some of the weaker teams, its harder to play if u cant mix it up some. But I guess im the only one that feels that way, so its no big deal.
another example, its 3 and long .. offence comes out in 2 wr. I still would rather play Dime. Not 3-4 or 4-3
I dont think its fair that i HAVE to play a certain defense because it gives the offense a clear advantage especially if u have studs on offense like TO or MOSS. Just giving an example.
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Post by Tony79 on Oct 23, 2006 8:42:07 GMT -5
Nickel is a good defense when you get teams that like to run 2 wr to one side. That way you can match that up with 2 cbs and the rb is matched up to a CB.
The problem with this or this whole issue is when people come out in quarters or dimes and have 4 or 5 corner backs and then audible down to a 4-3 or 3-4 and the have all these CB and only 1 linebacker. They have more speed on the field and for some reason madden wont exploit this.
It is fustrating to see people come out on first down with a dime coverage and you are in a regular 2wr set I formation. Just not real, nickel is fine in my opinion.
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Post by rockdawg on Oct 23, 2006 9:22:34 GMT -5
Now I do agree that you shouldnt be able to come out in Dime and audible down to a 3-4 or 4-3. THATS NOT REAL.
But no way should I be forced to play a certain defense because of what the offense chooses.. NOW THATS NOT REAL FOOTBALL EITHER!!
Everyone keeps saying Nickel is fine, well what about the Nickel 3-3-5. You can use that defense and change the personnel with the package option and make it look just like Quarters or Dime. So that's legal huh?
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Post by Tony79 on Oct 23, 2006 9:30:18 GMT -5
I guess it would, I never played it like that.
In the real NFL, teams do match up to the personal that the offense brings out. They will not come out with 4 cbs if the offense had only 2 wrs. That is why you see pentalies now with 12 men in the huddle where the offense is trying to confuse the defense on their subs.
I would think all Nickel packages are fine, we are jsut stating that when you have a dime or quarter package that is a pass defense, where the nickel is a combination of run and pass prevention.
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Post by Commish on Oct 23, 2006 10:02:03 GMT -5
As i mentioned above...in passing situation, ie 3rd and long, it would be ok to come out in dime or quarter regardless of how many wr's the offense has.
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Post by rockdawg on Oct 23, 2006 10:15:33 GMT -5
Its JMHO but I still think this a very bad rule. I dont feel i play unfair at all but I know i have used dime in certain situation depending on what the offense is doing.
I was just stating my opinion. No Biggie though.
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Post by Poundtherock on Oct 23, 2006 11:03:00 GMT -5
RD, get a playbook that includes the 46, Nickel 1-5-5 and 3-5-5 in it, that is if you don't already have one.
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Post by rockdawg on Oct 23, 2006 11:50:48 GMT -5
PTR, thats part of my point. If those defenses are allowed in all situations, how would u ever monitor this rule? You could make those defenses look just like dime, especially if you crowd the line of scrimmage. But on the flip side, if you are allowed to play Nickel 3-3-5 or 1-5-5, why cant you play dime? That doesnt make sense to me.
So if there was ever an issue within a game, your oppenent could just say "oh i was just running nickel"
But again, im the only one that has a problem with the rule so its a dead issue.
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