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Post by ChuckDiesel on Aug 24, 2006 22:10:57 GMT -5
Whatever we do, Shanks is right. If we go with cone OFF/optional, then we should play all-pro. If the cone is ON, we should play all-madden so that there are no mistakes during gameplay.
Personaly, I'm for the cone ON. It's an extra button push for everyone and regardless of cone-size, it's fair. Heck, even with Mike Vick, the extra button push makes him just as good as an extra button push for Peyton Manning. The difference is that Vick's accuracy is 79 and Peyton's around 99.
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Post by Gladiator on Aug 25, 2006 4:35:48 GMT -5
Last night I played Zod. I took PTR`s advice that he posted and went into the options BEFORE I went online. I believe it was in CUSTOM GAMES where I was able to adjust the QB VISION to be ON.
I then went online to play. As soon as I went to pass I did not press any buttons and my cone came up automatically. Now, someone can double check me but it looks as though our problem is solved if this can be adjusted before we go online.
BTW, it was an unranked game, 6 mins. Like a regular SAPML game.
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Post by Poundtherock on Aug 25, 2006 7:11:43 GMT -5
On all pro it is not automatically on..to put it on from what i have seen you have to bring it up manually pressing R2 each pass play (i dont think you can have it automatically come up unless your on all-madden). Using the cone is supposed to make the precision passing more accurate..so in a way its an advantage. But then again it acts as a tipper for the defense. So, what do you guys think...mandatory, optional? Lets talk about it. Commish, I believe Glad's post answers your "automatic on" question you had:Last night I played Zod. I took PTR`s advice that he posted and went into the options BEFORE I went online. I believe it was in CUSTOM GAMES where I was able to adjust the QB VISION to be ON. I then went online to play. As soon as I went to pass I did not press any buttons and my cone came up automatically. Now, someone can double check me but it looks as though our problem is solved if this can be adjusted before we go online. BTW, it was an unranked game, 6 mins. Like a regular SAPML game. Thanks, Glad. Even though I had not been online, I was 99.9% sure that would be the case, but it is good to know for sure. I'm sure the other two settings, "optional" and "off" can be treated the same.
Personally, I don't like the "optional" setting because you can still roll left or right with your QB is looking straight downfiled where his cone is, and then all of a sudden without so much as a head-nod (no cone movement), he zips the ball clear across field to a receiver, lol. True, a Manning or QB with similar cone size, can still do that most times without cone movement. However, everybody must still make the same amount of moves before throwing to take full advantage of pin-point "precision passing" that is associated with the cone, and suffers some degradation in accuracy if the intended receiver is not selected. However, with Manning, personally, I didn't see much, lol.
From the viable updated information I see posted here, changing the current cone rule doesn't seem needed.
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Post by tdogg on Aug 25, 2006 8:23:23 GMT -5
in 06 i was very anti cone because i didnt have a qb who could throw, but as i got use to it, i realized how real it was, now the cone size for different qbs i think is a little silly and the reason why i made the alex smith and manning comparasion is because in real life nieither one can be looking at a left wide reciever and then throw to the one on the right 30 yards the opposite way, so why in the game does manning have to have a cone as if its not even on, i just always think in general the cone should be about lets say, Bledsoes size somoene who is average should be the best cone. i think every QB is good, they wyouldnt be starting or in the nfl if they werent, but some like Alex Smith just hasnt gotten a good chance to prove themselves.
but I am very Pro-cone on now and with turning it on before game we have no problem
I AM VERY VERY VERY ANTI-ALL MADDEN
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Post by Commish on Aug 25, 2006 8:48:00 GMT -5
Thanks ptr and glad....i think our problem is solved....and i tried the same thing last night glad.
Tdogg, i am with you on staying all-pro.
I think the cone size isnt going to make as much difference as the other qb attributes (acc, thr pwr, etc)...i have seen an unbelieveable difference using Cpep compared to ferotte...that is realistic.
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Post by Gladiator on Aug 25, 2006 9:34:27 GMT -5
Guys, from what I have seen so far the d-line spread still has it`s issues. Guys can still spread the line, take control of the DE and do a loop around the TE for easy pressure on the QB. Now, I know guys will come back and say that the new feature of LEAD BLOCKING should overcome that. And maybe so, but how fair is it that we would have to manually combat the D- line glitch?
If members want to continue to press for a change in the d-line rule, then perhaps I can offer an option. How about if we allow the spreading of the line, but not allow anyone to take control of any of the defensive linemen?
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Post by Tony79 on Aug 25, 2006 9:39:26 GMT -5
I dont like that idea Glad. I think we just leave the rule as is. I think by not playing the d-line is not fair to the guys that play that all game long like me. Keeping our rules now has solved this issue, why change it. Guys still get decent pressure, I see no need to change this what so ever.
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Post by Poundtherock on Aug 25, 2006 9:42:26 GMT -5
Guys, from what I have seen so far the d-line spread still has it`s issues. Guys can still spread the line, take control of the DE and do a loop around the TE for easy pressure on the QB. Now, I know guys will come back and say that the new feature of LEAD BLOCKING should overcome that. And maybe so, but how fair is it that we would have to manually combat the D- line glitch? If members want to continue to press for a change in the d-line rule, then perhaps I can offer an option. How about if we allow the spreading of the line, but not allow anyone to take control of any of the defensive linemen? Lol, only if you make it whereby you can't take control of offensive players and use them to block with? j/k Welllllll.............maybe not!!!!, lol.
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Post by Gladiator on Aug 25, 2006 10:32:45 GMT -5
I dont like that idea Glad. I think we just leave the rule as is. I think by not playing the d-line is not fair to the guys that play that all game long like me. Keeping our rules now has solved this issue, why change it. Guys still get decent pressure, I see no need to change this what so ever. Overall, I agree. Why change. Lol, only if you make it whereby you can't take control of offensive players and use them to block with? j/k Welllllll.............maybe not!!!!, lol. Although you jest, I seriously have no problem with that. I tried to take control of the blocker and found I do worse than better.
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Post by zappadawg1 on Aug 25, 2006 22:11:45 GMT -5
Great Discussion so far. Unfortunatly I have not had a lot of time to play 07. Haven't even been online yet. Here's my $0.02...
Even though I don't like the cone, I'm with Glad as far as it bringing more realism to the game. I've played many people who have had the one two punch though...they could follow my cone with the safety and had those 2-3 blitzing plays that did not afford me the opportunity to change my cone. So I had to find plays where I had 2 receivers within the cone, one long one deep. I don't think there is anyway of mandating that someone has to hit their R2 button right after the snap of the ball. Just doesn't lend itself to the flow of the game. Has anyone tried doing this while trying a quick slant route? Does it effect anything? Another question is why is All-Madden level so bad? Is it because the defensive players that are ranked high act more like thier real life counterparts? If that's the case then why not play on All-Madden to give the defense the same advantage a high ranked QB might have with the Cone? When playing the computer I don't play on anything but All-Madden because it seems All-Pro is to easy against the Computer AI (at least Madden '06, like I said, I haven't had a chance to play 07 much)
So to recap, in my opinion.... 1. Cone = more Realism. 2. Having to hit R2 after each snap wouldn't lend itself to the flow of the game. 3. What is so bad about Playing on All-Madden? If it's because the AI is more realistic then why wouldn't we play All-Madden?
Like I said, just my $0.02....I'll have a better understading of the whole thing after this Madden '07 weekend I'm planning on playing...
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