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Post by Poundtherock on Aug 25, 2006 15:07:46 GMT -5
PTR Good stuff, and maybe you are right. Are you suggesting that we can spread are line and also playmaker are line to rush the outside? Not sure if I said that exactly, but after spreading your line, the playmaker option has always been there to crash out, crash in, crash left, crash right, if that is your question as to what I meant. At present, we can do all those except spread the line. I currently still hold with the idea that manually moving a defensive lineman out any further than the spread takes them should not be viable.
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Post by Poundtherock on Aug 25, 2006 15:11:01 GMT -5
PTR Good stuff, and maybe you are right. Are you suggesting that we can spread are line and also playmaker are line to rush the outside? That in itself would be a problem in policing. The playmaker rush to the outside is at times difficult to catch. And then, it becomes a "he said, she said" issue. I'm not sure if we are all on the same page here, lol, but crashing outside has always been around. Glad, I'm not sure if this is what you are referring to; L1 + right thumbstick?
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Post by Tony79 on Aug 25, 2006 15:19:27 GMT -5
PTR you are right. I thought the whole loop thing was spreading your d line and pressing the L1+up. I know we can not police this, but I will have to lab with this to see if it has the same affect as last season.
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Post by Gladiator on Aug 25, 2006 15:37:24 GMT -5
That in itself would be a problem in policing. The playmaker rush to the outside is at times difficult to catch. And then, it becomes a "he said, she said" issue. I'm not sure if we are all on the same page here, lol, but crashing outside has always been around. Glad, I'm not sure if this is what you are referring to; L1 + right thumbstick? Sorry, I meant spreading the line and crashing out.
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Post by Gladiator on Aug 25, 2006 15:38:32 GMT -5
I appreciate your two cents PTR. Good discussions are what we need here and you always provide good info.
I for one haven`t been lucky enough to experience high scoring games online unless my opponents quit on me. And my scoring on long pass plays have only been because of my calling the right play at the right time. Meaning I`ve caught my opponent in a bad defense.
As for the fear of high scoring games, I feel that we may be jumping the gun a little. Every year something changes in Madden that we feel gives either the offense or the defense an advantage. But the scores stay relatively the same. Even when we increased the game time from 5 to 6 min. some felt that would increase the scores. And that hardly changed.
I feel that the defense and the offense are evenly matched as it is. One still has to call the right offense to try and catch the defense off guard. Just as the defense needs to call the right play to stop the offense. I highly doubt I could call a bomb to Ward and still complete it if he`s being covered by two defenders.
Let`s keep discussing this. Guys who play online or even lab with fellow members need to give their input.
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Post by bulldawg on Aug 25, 2006 16:32:23 GMT -5
I say allow the D-line spread..this game is ALL offense
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Post by Poundtherock on Aug 25, 2006 16:46:23 GMT -5
I appreciate your two cents PTR. Good discussions are what we need here and you always provide good info. I for one haven`t been lucky enough to experience high scoring games online unless my opponents quit on me. 1) And my scoring on long pass plays have only been because of my calling the right play at the right time. Meaning I`ve caught my opponent in a bad defense. If that were the case in actuality, then the defense spreading the d-line would have nothing to do with you being successful with that play, right?. As for the fear of high scoring games, I feel that we may be jumping the gun a little. Every year something changes in Madden that we feel gives either the offense or the defense an advantage. But the scores stay relatively the same. Even when we increased the game time from 5 to 6 min. some felt that would increase the scores. And that hardly changed. But we all know that it did go up to some degree, both in stats and scores, right? I feel that the defense and the offense are evenly matched as it is. One still has to call the right offense to try and catch the defense off guard. Just as the defense needs to call the right play to stop the offense. I highly doubt I could call a bomb to Ward and still complete it if he`s being covered by two defenders. If that is the case, lol, then why limit the defense when you don't limit the offense?Let`s keep discussing this. Guys who play online or even lab with fellow members need to give their input. Sheet, before I say more I better look and see if Glad and Big Ben are on my schedule. Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!! You know I respect you, Glad, so.... ;D Why does Pfeels make us wear that silly hat, SOCOM? ?
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Post by Gladiator on Aug 25, 2006 17:21:10 GMT -5
Just a guess................you REALLY want to spread the line, don`t you? ;D
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Post by Poundtherock on Aug 25, 2006 17:56:11 GMT -5
Just a guess................you REALLY want to spread the line, don`t you? ;D ;D Just keeping you on your toes!
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Post by Commish on Aug 25, 2006 18:29:29 GMT -5
Something we may need to realize...usually the offensive playbooks change...this year they didnt so everyones offense is ahead of the game. The defenses and the defensive AI has changed and bit and that will take some getting used too. I think if we give it a little more time...we may see that the offense and defense are more even than we think...or maybe not.
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Post by rockdawg on Aug 25, 2006 19:01:56 GMT -5
Please allow the spreading of d-line!! We dont say you cant motion on offense. U have all these features on offense, but we lock down the features on defense.... Please someone tell me why..
I should have to right to give different looks on defense as well as the offense. I just never really understood this rule..
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Post by Poundtherock on Aug 25, 2006 19:05:08 GMT -5
Something we may need to realize...usually the offensive playbooks change...this year they didnt so everyones offense is ahead of the game. The defenses and the defensive AI has changed and bit and that will take some getting used too. I think if we give it a little more time...we may see that the offense and defense are more even than we think...or maybe not. And I thought my martinis were strong! ;D
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Post by Poundtherock on Aug 25, 2006 19:53:36 GMT -5
J/K, above, Commish! I know you are a Capt. Morgan man! Okay. Slide Protection Out: *Puts the offensive line in a better position to counter the defensive line when it has been spread out. *Good to use to respond when defense is showing blitz from the outside because the offensive line protects out. Vs. Spread Defensive Line: *Gives the defensive ends a better pass rush angle for sacking the QB *Puts defensive ends in a better position to stop the outside run. *Does a good job at keeping athletic QBs from taking off out of the pocket. Sounds equal to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D Oh, wait a minute. The defense can’t spread the d-line!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by zappadawg1 on Aug 25, 2006 22:25:14 GMT -5
PTR for Governor!!! ;D Great Editorial..... I'm of the opinion that the D-line spread could be recended do to the fact the offensive run game is enhanced this year. Plus if your opponet is d-line spreading, why not audible to a run up the middle, specially with the ability of controlling your FB or lineman to take advantage of it.... Great points PTR...
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Post by Poundtherock on Aug 26, 2006 7:48:34 GMT -5
Thanks, Zap. Right now the jury is still out and I'm not so sure I nor any of our witnesses have convinced any of the jurors of a not guilty verdict.
The Judge's possible jury instructions to find the rule as follows:
1) Guilty and the rule is upheld *without prejudice.
2) Guilty with Aggravated Intent and placed on *probation; the rule is upheld, but amended to read..(as one of the jurors (Glad) leaked)........."the d-line can be spread but there shall be no manual manipulation (loop-d-loop) of any lineman, that is placed on the LOS."
3) Not Guilty; the rule is dismissed *without prejudice.
*Probation period: Unlimited. *Dismissed/Upheld without prejudice; the Judge reserves the right to revisit this issue at any time should terms of probation are violated.
Right now, I, and I'm sure witnesses for dismissal would agree, that a finding for verdict #3 would suffice, but verdict #2 would be an amiable solution for most.
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