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Post by Gladiator on Aug 25, 2006 11:45:52 GMT -5
I will be moving some posts concerning the d-line spread to this location so that all comments will be easier to track. Right now I think we are all over the place in different threads.
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Post by Gladiator on Aug 25, 2006 11:47:40 GMT -5
havnet used it before, but i think we should re-instate the spreading of the D-line.
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Post by Gladiator on Aug 25, 2006 11:47:59 GMT -5
I do not agree with spreading the d-line. I think are rule is fine the way it is.
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Post by Gladiator on Aug 25, 2006 11:48:18 GMT -5
I will fool around a bit with the dline..i havent liked the spread in the past..
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Post by Gladiator on Aug 25, 2006 11:48:48 GMT -5
well i say spread but cant press the recievers
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Post by Gladiator on Aug 25, 2006 11:49:08 GMT -5
Can't press the WR? What is this powder puff football?
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Post by Gladiator on Aug 25, 2006 11:50:59 GMT -5
Guys, from what I have seen so far the d-line spread still has it`s issues. Guys can still spread the line, take control of the DE and do a loop around the TE for easy pressure on the QB. Now, I know guys will come back and say that the new feature of LEAD BLOCKING should overcome that. And maybe so, but how fair is it that we would have to manually combat the D- line glitch? If members want to continue to press for a change in the d-line rule, then perhaps I can offer an option. How about if we allow the spreading of the line, but not allow anyone to take control of any of the defensive linemen?
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Post by Gladiator on Aug 25, 2006 11:51:21 GMT -5
I dont like that idea Glad. I think we just leave the rule as is. I think by not playing the d-line is not fair to the guys that play that all game long like me. Keeping our rules now has solved this issue, why change it. Guys still get decent pressure, I see no need to change this what so ever.
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Post by Gladiator on Aug 25, 2006 11:51:47 GMT -5
Guys, from what I have seen so far the d-line spread still has it`s issues. Guys can still spread the line, take control of the DE and do a loop around the TE for easy pressure on the QB. Now, I know guys will come back and say that the new feature of LEAD BLOCKING should overcome that. And maybe so, but how fair is it that we would have to manually combat the D- line glitch? If members want to continue to press for a change in the d-line rule, then perhaps I can offer an option. How about if we allow the spreading of the line, but not allow anyone to take control of any of the defensive linemen? Lol, only if you make it whereby you can't take control of offensive players and use them to block with? j/k Welllllll.............maybe not!!!!, lol.
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Post by Gladiator on Aug 25, 2006 11:52:08 GMT -5
I dont like that idea Glad. I think we just leave the rule as is. I think by not playing the d-line is not fair to the guys that play that all game long like me. Keeping our rules now has solved this issue, why change it. Guys still get decent pressure, I see no need to change this what so ever. Overall, I agree. Why change. Lol, only if you make it whereby you can't take control of offensive players and use them to block with? j/k Welllllll.............maybe not!!!!, lol. Although you jest, I seriously have no problem with that. I tried to take control of the blocker and found I do worse than better.
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Post by dazednconfused on Aug 25, 2006 14:30:53 GMT -5
I think this rule should not be changed.
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Post by Poundtherock on Aug 25, 2006 14:36:39 GMT -5
Seriously, from what I can tell, and from what players are saying in other forums, not to mention what has been said in this forum, the deep ball is very much relevant and very potent in this years game. I just finished an entire 24-minute offline game against..........I don't want to start anything so let's just say it was against one of the top defenses in Madden................ran only one play the entire game, rolled up over 350 yards and won 49-21, and didn't even get to finish the game because the game froze in the fourth quarter. My PS2 isn't used to seeing me put up big numbers, lol. And most everybody here knows that I can't and don't throw bombs. However, I may have to reconsider under the circumstances. Pick out one of your favorite bomb plays and try it. You will score with it just about every series.Here we go "no loop de loop" so throw bombs and 46 them, throw bombs and 46 them, lol. What a game plan. The only thing relevant that I hear against using the D-line spread is that it allows a player to manually control a defensive lineman and loop him around that 6'5" 375 pound tackle and put pressure on the QB. I have heard it referred to as a glitch. It very possibly could have been poor O-line AI, but IMO, it's not a glitch. A glitch in the game is supposed to be something that can't be countered. Does anyone disagree with validity that the scenario above, looping, cannot be countered? I think not. And it certainly can with the new features in '07. For the last three seasons, the offense in the game has far surpassed the defense in features added to make the offense even better while we leave the "cuffs" half-on the defense. Surely, the QB is not expected to have all day to sit in the pocket and play "bombs away" while the defense, as some supporters of the rule have stated, exerts "just the right amount of pressure," all the while the DEs are trying to get around that big-ass tackle and possibly get closer to the QB. Geez, and now we have more tools at the disposal of the offense that if the DE does happen to achieve that arduous task, that O-blocker is ready to clean his plow with the "run-to-daylight" block. Not to offend, but do we just want to "outscore" our opponents and make defense secondary? I know that I'm overstating that but what is wrong with "pressure" on the QB? At the time it was instituted, if my memory serves me correct, I was a major player involved in forming and supporting the d-line rule. I'm not sure if that occurred during my tenure as co-commish or not, the Commish may have a better remembrance, but now I honestly think that it's time to retire the rule. Now that the offense has numerous choices of manually controlling a blocker, we still are to deny the defense the right to spread the line, and all the while ONLY having a choice of controlling one defensive player at a time? And if you move that player (not the d-lineman, that is a no-no) you have to remain that player until the ball is snapped. I realize that not everybody is interested in playing defense but we must stop and think; do we really want those high-scoring, high stat ego games that we ridiculed so much in the early days of SAPML back in 2003, when it was such a delight to play a game, win or lose, and there would only be a margin of 10 or less points for the victor in a 17-point total game. In recounting my games last season, the biggest margin of a game was probably a 31-21 loss to Commish, which most all our games have always been low scoring. I remember remarking to Shanks that it wasn't very enjoyable running up and down the field like that. I shudder to think what it will be in this year's episode. 52 again? Probably more like 72, lol. If what I foresee happening this season, more yardage and scoring, not just with passing but with running as well, does not, in fact occur, and the d-line rule remains in effect, I will be the first to come back here and take my licks. But if the rule remains in effect and we have increased yardage and scoring, I will be the first to come back here and say "I told you so, lol." Close scrutiny, IMO, should also be given to wording of some of the rules that I helped write as they, over time, conflict with the game itself, and ashamedly admit that one even contradicts itself. Probably my fault or something additional was added. don't remember. Maybe a new thread could be started by you Commishes on changes, additions, deletions input from members, since we do have some additional brains to pick. As I have done for the last few seasons, I have campaigned for dropping the d-line rule, and if admin decides to retain it the way it currently is, no problem. I'll be back next year politicking again, lol. thanks for the air time and hope no one was offended by anything I wrote as it was not my intention. And pardon any typos. PTR
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Post by Tony79 on Aug 25, 2006 14:53:18 GMT -5
PTR Good stuff, and maybe you are right. Are you suggesting that we can spread are line and also playmaker are line to rush the outside?
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Post by ChuckDiesel on Aug 25, 2006 14:59:25 GMT -5
Although I'm not really one way or the other for the d-line spread, I agree with PTR in the sense that SOMETHING has to be done so that this game isn't a scoring fest. The offense has FAR more of an advantage this year than in years past. If we're looking for constant 41-38 battles, that's one thing. If not, something has to give.
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Post by Gladiator on Aug 25, 2006 15:02:44 GMT -5
PTR Good stuff, and maybe you are right. Are you suggesting that we can spread are line and also playmaker are line to rush the outside? That in itself would be a problem in policing. The playmaker rush to the outside is at times difficult to catch. And then, it becomes a "he said, she said" issue.
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