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Post by bulldawg on Apr 5, 2006 20:52:25 GMT -5
is play action allowed on 3rd and 21?..
is that reasonable to call it there when we all know PA is a glitch....and makes passing real easy?
kinda curious....I try and keep stuff sim, ike NFL..and to me that is not real
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Post by dazednconfused on Apr 5, 2006 21:14:12 GMT -5
Manning and the Colts PA every pass play. Just a thought. ;D
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Post by bulldawg on Apr 5, 2006 21:27:41 GMT -5
yea...but NFL does not have glitches with AI and CB's ..its the same argument as limiting D-line spread.....most in NFL do it, but Madden games apply different
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Post by ChuckDiesel on Apr 5, 2006 21:36:43 GMT -5
Umm.....I've got a big problem with play-action abuse.......this was an issue in MBCMO.....hope that it's not too many owners in SAPML going crazy doing PA's whenever they need a bail-out on offense when they're not moving the ball by either running or passing straight up.
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Post by dazednconfused on Apr 5, 2006 22:58:24 GMT -5
I understand what you guys are saying. In Bulldawgs post he only pointed out that it was used on a 3rd and 21. Did he use it other times to bail out? If not then I don't think it was abused!!! You said he called PA passes in unrealistic situations. Passes means he did it repeatedly. Did he or was it just that one time on 3rd and 21? Abusing it is consistently going to it.
People abuse calling the same defense!! Then when you can only pass to one guys because they refuse to change their defense you get told you abused it!! In your scouting report for that game you said the Miller had 6 catches. Did you change you defense to stop it?
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Post by bulldawg on Apr 5, 2006 23:13:32 GMT -5
i should not have to change defenses to stop one play...and no one in sim bal calls PA in 3rd and 20+........really frustrated, and truely feel this glitch is way bigger than any d-line spread glitch that might exist....
just dont understand...its clear that my definition of SIM, is different than the normal in madden, .....i refuse to change and will lose a straight game any day....I suck at this game overall
this is a huge issue, and other leagues have rules on PA and when is appropriate.(but it is common sense)....think we need to control some offensive rules, if the defensive line spread is controlled by rules
again, there are other ways to get pressure on QB, like there are other ways to move the ball on offense in a 3rd and long situation..
kinda makes no sense to limit one side but not the other, in what I believe is the biggest glitch in this years madden.
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Post by hackett on Apr 6, 2006 7:00:46 GMT -5
is it really a glitch? i'm not saying you bulldawg, but i have seen where people call a maybe "cheesy" play or what i call "madden strategy" a glitch. i think the definition of a glitch is a play that cannot be stopped and you have no control over hence (sandman glitch). cheesy as it may be, if a play is not abused......there is no way to say such a thing. just like the corner route last year.
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Post by Gladiator on Apr 6, 2006 9:44:19 GMT -5
Usually when a player feels that there is a questionable situation, they tend to focus on that issue. That is human nature. I make this statement not to belittle anyones opinion but I would hope that the entire game would be looked at with an open mind. Not just one instance.
If there is a so called glitch with play action passing, I have not been aware of it nor has it become a hot topic in the Sapml in any posted thread. Therefore a rule governing it has not even been discussed. Continuing with that train of thought, no one in this season or last has made a complaint about play action to my knowledge.
I think that over the last 8 months the Sapml has covered all of the possible potential problems that this years Madden has presented. If an issue has not been covered as of yet, it is safe to assume that the league is not abusing it.
Bottom line, I think that members are safe concerning play action passing. But if tendencies begin to arise, please notify the rules committee members and/or the commishes. The issue will be tracked and reported on.
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Post by dawgs18 on Apr 6, 2006 11:40:06 GMT -5
That was the most elegant post I ever read Glad... I feel smarter. P.A. is a do or die IMO. I use it, not on looong yardeges, but mid ones. But, I also run on mid ones too. If it is long yardage then PA has been a method in this years madden to really fool the secondary.
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Post by hackett on Apr 6, 2006 12:14:31 GMT -5
teams run on 3rd and long, why not PA in this situation?
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Post by mwg131 on Apr 6, 2006 12:52:16 GMT -5
To be honest i do run alot of PA, but i do not take advantage of it. All of Vick's designed runs are PA's. So sometimes i do run PA's a little more than usual. I think as long as it is not over done or taken advantage of It is ok.
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Post by Commish on Apr 6, 2006 15:06:19 GMT -5
this is the first ive heard of a PA glitch or abuse of it....i really dont think its that big of an issue based on what ive seen and heard
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Post by Tony79 on Apr 6, 2006 16:12:35 GMT -5
Isnt the whole point of play action to fool the secondary? I mean if they did not bite on the run, what would be the point of the play action. Never heard of this being a glitch at all.
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Post by dawgs18 on Apr 6, 2006 20:24:43 GMT -5
It's not a "glitch". How many times in the NFL do teams PA on 3rd and a mile? Not many, IMO.
In this year's Madden I have seen it where it really's fools the secondary espicially if the team doesn't run. Now if a team ran a lot then I could see that maybe happen, but this game can cause the secondary to get fooled on a consistent basis.
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Post by zappadawg1 on Apr 8, 2006 2:57:04 GMT -5
How bout the "blitz on defense every play" glitch, the one that always stops my "play action glitch", before I can throw it high to my 6'5 TE when he's being defended by a 5'9 cornerback in order to take advantage of the "high ball" glitch. And then the running a draw play on 4th and 30 glitch, in order to catch the defense in pass coverage... BullDawg, I usually agree with you, but come on, the play action glitch? Maybe if you have a low rated cornerback that bites on playaction, but on 3rd and long aren't you playing a zone or deep coverage defense were that really shouldn't matter? I can see if you are in a blitzing defense you might get caught off gaurd.. I got beat yesterday by the Eagles using the "jump in front of the ball on defense and intercept the ball" glitch.. LOL,,,all in fun,,U know... ;D
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