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Post by tdogg on Aug 29, 2006 7:22:24 GMT -5
pLAYED 2 GAMES ON ALL MADDEN UPDATE:::::: 1st game was Giants vs. Texans, i moved the ball well got to the redzone 4 times scored a TD once. the other times i got hit and fumbled in the endzone and another tiem he dropped the ball. on cpus offense could throw the long ball as they pleased couldnt catch them. but when I threw the long ball i would be caught up to in a mtter of milli-secs. Score was 21-12
2nd game was Colts vs. Saints. could you believe i didnt get one got damn pass off with Peyton manning.....with eli in my giants game the first half i was like 10-12, but with the colts he was 0-13 1st half with 1 int..... Saints once again did what they willed on Offense.
in short i didnt see much difference from all pro to all madden.
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Post by Commish on Aug 29, 2006 8:52:11 GMT -5
First off..for all those who think we are changing...hold the phone...this is a discussion thread. We are looking at all the options and what we think is best for the league. For those who havent tried All Madden online, you need to go play one or two people with close to a .500 record before coming on and saying Allmadden is too hard or not. I NEVER play allmadden...i pleyed 3 games last night. All the games were against people with around .500 records...1 game was a blowout, the other two were close with scores below 30.
What i saw, is the deep ball is still effective if used in the right moment. The defense does react better and much FASTER. If you call the right defenses against offense...the offense will not consistently make completions they shouldnt.
On allpro...its not the deep ball that im irritated with...what frustrates me most is calling the right coverage for a pass play where the reciever is double or triple covered...and the completion is still made while my defender sits there and watches it happen. I see it every game.
This is a huge dilemma...All pro seems too easy...all madden is too hard...there is no middle ground.
I guess what we need to decide is what kind of games we want to see...offensive or defensive?
I would like to hear responses asap...i dont plan on delaying the start of the league.
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Post by tdogg on Aug 29, 2006 9:15:13 GMT -5
like i said me and Terentius played and had a 6-7 game on all pro, i think it really is the players not the setting of the game. i say make a poll but to change it to all madden i think it has to be 75% want it, not a 60-40 or 51-49 it has to be majority to change it to all madden and i can tell u now my vote is all pro.
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Post by Commish on Aug 29, 2006 10:25:11 GMT -5
To be honest Tdogg...i think the vote would be for all-pro anyway.
What i want is for people to try all madden (like you have)...and then give me their feedback and not rely totally on what other people are saying.
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Post by terentiusxiii on Aug 29, 2006 10:45:15 GMT -5
My vote (if I have one) is to play all league games using All-Pro.
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Post by tdogg on Aug 29, 2006 10:51:48 GMT -5
lol terentius sorry for spelling ur name wrong but everyones voice is heard in this league!
Thanks commish, i'll try more so im coming out of my suppose to be 2 day retirement to play all madden against human tonight so if anyone is interested i'll be posting in the club house
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Post by Gladiator on Aug 29, 2006 10:54:33 GMT -5
I make no arguement for either side. I will make my opinion known later after I feel I have compared AM and AP.
But as the Commish stated, members need to play online to get the full effect. Also, keep in mind who you are playing and with what team. The Saints defense VS TO and the Cowboys may not be a good gauge. Try taking an average team against a buddy willing to take an average defense.
And keep an open mind guys. A member and I had a 2 games a couple nights ago. The first 65-63, the second 58-54. Then we played last night and we both had our issues trying to move the ball. So, a lot goes into this. The defenses called, the teams involved, etc.
This is not just a "glitch" that can be dealt with or governed with a rule. Careful consideration must be made.
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Post by hutrunhut on Aug 29, 2006 11:31:41 GMT -5
I am not an owner so I don't know how much this weigh's into things but when your playing online or against a friend AP or AM doesn't really matter too much. Of course there is some difference. You can see a bigger difference when you play against the computer. So it wouldn't matter to me either way I would still play the same.
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Post by Commish on Aug 29, 2006 11:46:47 GMT -5
i appreciate all the feedback guys.
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Post by Poundtherock on Aug 29, 2006 11:48:12 GMT -5
I'm sorry, Commish. I didn't know we needed to play AM with anyone online to be able to fully appreciate any difference between the two. Please disregard my earlier posts.
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Post by Commish on Aug 29, 2006 14:52:52 GMT -5
PTR...you may feel the same if you play a game on ALL Madden...and thats fine. But i think we all should do it first so we can give our best educated opinion on what level we feel would be best for the league.
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Post by scarolinafan on Aug 29, 2006 15:18:36 GMT -5
My vote would be for All-Madden. I had never played on All Madden until someone (East room guy) challenged me to a Hardcore ranked game. I could tell a difference right away in the game play. The defense actually played D. You couldn't throw into triple coverage and complete passes. You could put your guys in a position to succeed based on the coverage called and they'd do their job. On All-Pro you can call the perfect D and them be in position to make a play and either they won't make an attempt on the ball or they just stand their with a blank stare. All-Madden is light years ahead of AP. If you want 56-49 type games then AP is what we should use. If we like the 20-17 type games more then All-Madden is the way to go. Just my opinion. But for a true feel for All-Madden everyone that tries it should vs a human opponent with similiar teams to get a feel for it. But don't do like Chuck last night and take Atlanta and try to use Indy's playbook and throw the ball 30 times a game. That won't give you a true feel for AM. Whatever team you pick you should use their personnel accordingly to get a realistic impression.
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Post by Poundtherock on Aug 29, 2006 16:55:20 GMT -5
PTR...you may feel the same if you play a game on ALL Madden...and thats fine. But i think we all should do it first so we can give our best educated opinion on what level we feel would be best for the league. I do agree with everyone that it is much, much harder to complete passes, not just because the A/I is much, much, better, but also because less talented QBs are prone to make more mistakes. You don't have to go online to see that. However, I can see your points that playing against a human player is much easier than playing against the CPU, because as most of us know, Tiburon cheats on defense and offense, lol, and the human is prone to calling wrong plays, so yes, I would agree, even though I have not played an AM game on line, that things could be different when playing that average .500 player. What troubles me, is the sudden leap, and the fact that AP gives the less-skilled players, however slight it might be, a better chance just to score some points against more-skilled players, and we have quite a few in this league with very good QBs and very highly regarded team members. That worries me to the extent that the learning curve to make the jump so quick to AM going up against players who can user catch quite often, does not bode well for the average guy. Just when I was learning how to user catch on AP, now I have to worry about just making a catch, lol. I'm not sure that I will get in a game of AM before the season starts, but because of the game nuances that I believe will be created with AM, thereby making the gap widen again between skilled and non-skilled players, will not disappear for me. Those are the intangibles that I do not believe can be seen in just two or three online games. Not everybody has the wants or desires to take a fun hobby and turn it into a work-a-holic journey, lol. I believe what you say is true about online play. That's not what concerns me, it's the intangibles that I discuss in my first post that does. But hey, that's just me and I am only one member. I will roll with the flow.
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Post by madc55 on Aug 29, 2006 17:32:16 GMT -5
I played 2 games online on all-madden and my scores were 13-10 and 16-7. It was playable and it was harder as well. Some things seemed more relistic and some things on the defensive side did not at times. However I do agree with some of the points taken by Poundtherock and my vote is for all-pro. Also guys i know right now you guys are getting all these high scores but please remember alot of these same prbs I'm hearing from guys posting we had in last years madden. I remember there being alot of high scores, I remember there being alot of passes completed with 3 guys on them however in this league and Mine i had a load of fun in each(madden 06). All this things that bother you guys you all so have to remember as much as we want to be "Sim" as possible its still a video game and I want all league members to have fun..... the fact is the more games we play the better we will get on the defensive side as well. I always struggle when the game comes out on the defensive side but as the year goes on I usually up to par. The game has only been out a week........"one week"...........the defensive side will catch up as the year goes on and Personally I don't want all scoreds being 13-10 21-13 ect cause that isn't relistic to me as well.....You will see a varitey as the season goes on!
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Post by dazednconfused on Aug 29, 2006 18:55:53 GMT -5
What really frustrates me about the All Pro is the same as people have said. The WR catch everything. I played Glad lat night. His WR caught the ball with 2 defenders on him. Now I know you may say so what that happens a lot. Your right. What made this different though was his WR was behind my defenders and didn't jump for the ball at all. While my defenders did and didn't knock it down. While his guys stood there like a stooge and caught the ball. I was like WTF was that and laughed.
The other thing that really bugs the shyte out of me is when you call a zone play where both of your safeties are playing deep zone they stand there with their thumbs up their butts not moving to the sidelines where both WR are streaking. Then they don't get over there in time.
I think what we have here is ALL PRO + DEEP BALL = A ton of blitzing!!!!! If your fine with that then stay on ALL Pro. If your not then I suggest we start practicing on AM. What I don't want to here is if the decision is made to stay on All pro People complaining that someone is blitzing almost every down!!
I will go what ever way the league does. I'm no where near an ELITE baller. I wouldn't even consider myself average. I think I like AM more though. However I think we all need to give AM a few game ONLINE and then give the input.
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