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Post by Tony79 on Aug 30, 2006 12:34:11 GMT -5
I am starting to get confused on how people think going to All-Madden is for the elite players only. I do not see any sense in those statements.
I really have no preference for one or the other. I have played games in all pro that were close and no different. I played more all madden games though and I see those games close as well. Maybe the AI reacts better in certain situations and the long ball is not as effective.
My only concern is if we stay in all pro and I throw say 3 or 4 long balls and connect on them, is my opponent going to complain about that? Would those same results happen in all madden? probably so.
The whole point in the long ball is setting it up correctly. If you play your safeties in a deep 2 zone this should protect it, but everyone has to play it right. If someone constantly throws the deep ball i can understand that. I personally try to set up the long ball on play action after I had some running game success. This works in the real NFL, so why shouldnt Madden be the same?
The problem we run into is the arguement of real NFL style and the most simmed style, which will never be the same. It is computer and real life. No matter what new madden comes out, we always seem to find complaints about something, make new rules or adjust old ones. I am not fully convinced going to all madden will solve all issues or just solve the ones we have now and open the doors for new issues to be brought up.
I just wanted to make a point that playing on all madden is not just for the elite players, I totally disagree with that statement or anyone that thinks that. I do not see how this is possible.
If I had to make a choice right now, I would go for All- Madden due to I feel the game plays closer to the real NFL or sim style. If we stay on all pro i will like that too and have no problem with it.
Going to all madden should not scare anyone here or make a decision to leave the league, which I think is ludacris. Everyone is open for their opinions and that is what this is for. I am happy to see a lot of different sides to this, but I am starting to think people are being stubborn and not willing to try something new. Bottom line is we need to agree as a whole and if we can accomplish this, we as a league will be stronger.
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Post by Poundtherock on Aug 30, 2006 13:33:18 GMT -5
hell for all i care if commish wants to leave it at your opponents discretion if you play all madden or all pro. Yea thats not going to work! Lol. Seriously, why not do this: put the AM idea on the shelf for this season and re-visit it, if need be, before the start of season 2 of '07. That would give time to those of us that need some experimenting with AM to do so. It would also give us time as well working with AP to see if initial bad-play red flags raised by SCF and Chuck were, in fact, raised legitimately. If so, then we ALL need to take a closer look at AM. We would have had pleanty of time during the first season of '07 to do that, especially for those that have only played a game or two, as well having a lot more hands-on with AP. Personally, I do see some good points for AM. I just don't see enough evidence resented right now to warrant a decision to make a switch before the start of this season, and I don't have time for more than one game to invest in experimenting with that level. And who knows, we may all be in unison by that time, the end of the first season, either for staying with AP or going with AM. Not only that, and not to diminish this point, the rest of the league will be in here, vets and newbies as well, and will have a chance to get up to speed, so to speak. This is just a suggestion, and may be an amiable way out for all at this time. I do believe that everybody participating in this thread do have the good of the league in mind. Also, let me hasten to add, this in no way means that this suggestion would be acceptable to the Commish.
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Post by madc55 on Aug 30, 2006 15:51:09 GMT -5
Tony, Lot of good points, however above is unf not correct. Running a league since madden 03 I have seen guys leave leagues for something less then above.
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Post by Poundtherock on Aug 30, 2006 17:13:12 GMT -5
Tony, I can't speak for the others here, but I don't think anyone is scared of AM. I know I'm not. I do agree with Mad about folks leaving leagues for reasons not even remotely close to consideration of a serious change in levels of play. I do know that PFeels stated in a post that he quit because he "was tired of losing and did not have the time to devote more time to the game." And he was speaking of AP, lol, all the while.... And yes, I did state that EA developed AM as a level of play for those skilled players who really want to undertake the challenge of putting in more time including, skilled players, students of the game, what-have-you, not to mention the folks in other forums who ridicule AP players as not skilled enough for AM and did, in fact, say AM was for the elite player. However, I did not say that AM is ONLY for the elite player. I made that statement as a commendation to those that can achieve the AM level comfortably. On a different note, I find it amusing that someone earlier said both players in a game on the AP level this year could be expecting to score 40+ points per game as in college games. Whoo Hoo!!! I don't play college games and I've never scored 40+ freaking points in an AP game in three years with the SAPML, lol. Please, Commish, don't change play level until I can get that 40 points!
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Post by bulldawg on Aug 30, 2006 18:54:06 GMT -5
up til now, I have refused to play in all madden..I have not joined leagues because of that, and have left leagues that have changed rules in mid-season. Some guys chose not to play in leagues that change format from their origional format upon signing up.
I have not played all madden yet, but and still concerned about all-pro, and a few trhings I have seen as far as easiness to score.
And Im wiyth P-feels, I dont have the time with work and wife to get to good at this game, and practice as much as it takes to be good as most...I just want sime games, like NFL, so whatever level most suits that Im all for.
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Post by Tony79 on Aug 30, 2006 22:21:40 GMT -5
Madc55 You are right, guys will leave leagues for simple rules like no d-line spread, or no bump n run. Everyone is entitled to leave the league if they do not want to play by the league rules. There will always be guys that leave leages and there is always a waiting list that will fill those spots.
In the years I have been involved in SAPML, there has been the core group in tact. Yes we lost some of those guys in the past year or so, but they brought that upon there selfs, and overall with them leaving it made this league better today than it was a year ago with them. I love your league and it is a good one. I beleive this league (SAPML) is one of the best due to the participation you receive in the message boards and the overall group of people involved in this league.
PTR Sorry if I took your original statement and added Elite, but in general we are on the same page here. You meant that AM is for the above average players, which most people in this league fall below that in one of your original post.
I just feel people think AM is for the best players, the best stick skills as they say. I look at it different. I look at it as not arcadish, more sim style, more waht SAPML is trying to acheive. Yes maybe the kicking goes faster so you have to be a little better at kicking your 40+ yard field goals. Yea you might not get 10 seconds in the pocket to find your receiver (how many times does that happen in the NFL?).
All I am saying is if we go to AM I can not really see how this will be a bad thing for the league overall. If we lose some players that is very unfortunate, but we can not control this. We can lose players by staying on AP or keeping certain rules that we have in place. Like you said PTR, no matter what decision we make and if it doesnt work out there will be one of us that say I told you so!
This is a tough decision and I really do not know what the outcome will be if any. I just feel if people leave the league due to changing rules that are best for the WHOLE league not individuals, then we might just be better off without them.
Again, I will play on either setting, but if we do change I beleive it should be now rather than in season 2. It is a choice we can make, go with it, and see the result. We all know what AP will bring, and I dont know by playing AP that we will get scores over 40 points. Time will tell.
I wish more people would voice their opinion though, it would make it a better discussion to really see what the whole league wants.
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Post by tdogg on Aug 30, 2006 23:32:24 GMT -5
All Pro because like you said not enough people are for All madden. there may not be much difference but if thats the case there is no reason to change
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Post by Poundtherock on Aug 31, 2006 0:03:14 GMT -5
Good words, Tony! I guess just I missed something in the last few posts that prompted the dialogue that players possibly would leave the league if AM is instituted in the SAPML. I'm sure that we all say things in the heat of the moment but I can't look back and see where anyone in the thread said they would quit. Hell, my first private reaction to SCF's initial post was a "hell, no" negative breath capped off with a well, "we will see" how this pans out. At one time or another, I'm sure all of us have threatened to quit and/or did so for whatever reason, including yours truly. I don't see anyone indicating that here in the thread unless I'm misreading someone's comment. I really think the discussion has been very fruitful, and as you, wish more of the league would have participated with their input, especially the veterans who have been around from the very beginning, who have been noticeably "publicly" absent in the forum discussion. But the forum is not the only place that one can voice their concerns about league happenings, so let's hope they have done so otherwise, yea or nay on this issue. If not, then therein lies a tantamount problem of making a hasty decision to switch the game-play level. I'm sure that the absence is not because of league apathy, they are just probably wearing their thumbs out with the game while this thread continues on. Something I think I will get back to as well. With that said, and yes, I know I have overstated things in my posts (I always do, lol, it is so Dawgs will ignore them, lol, and anyway it is a right that comes being the oldest in the league, lol, and no wisecracks) it is only because I do is when I feel passionate about changes that will have an impact on the league. Which reminds me, Commish, someday, I might divulge my actual age but right now I don't want to embarass those very few that I have taken to the woodshed in the past. Yes, Commish, I told you a fib. The year is not 1961, lol. But now is the time for me, personally, to back out of here. This has been one of the most invigorating and respectful discussions that I have witnessed in SAPML. ;D Oops! I sense there's more in the air tonight than a fizzled hurricane, so this thread may go by the wayside very soon. The boss was up well into the wee hours of the morning. Subconsciously speaking: What? The very idea that you would even wonder if there would be any players quit the league if the change IS NOT made to AM! Don't be ridiculous!
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Post by tdogg on Aug 31, 2006 9:39:14 GMT -5
DAmnit PTR Old man i told you about those long post, i get hooked on everyword like your Charles Manson.
anyway, yes he is right no one has screamed I quit and i know certainly not me. even last year before the 2nd season i said iw asnt coming back (I also thought id have a 360 or ps3 at this time). but it wasnt because of the way the league was going in.
I'm down for this league, Ive known alot of members here for a long time. Ive known shanks/commish for a long time too but he swears he doesnt remember me being in this league in 2003/04.
but i think that there is no need for a switch period and alot of people are basing there opinions on 4 min all pro games where ur not playing like ur self. I had a game with Teren last night. and i bombed alot of times because i was down and didnt have alot of time. I even went for a fake punt (im still sorry abou tthat dude) you gotta think that when the season comes in people are going to be more worried about wasting time rather than trying to conserve it with passes.
PTR stop making long post, lol im at work and it looks bad when im starring at the screen reading
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Post by Commish on Aug 31, 2006 10:49:43 GMT -5
PTR stop making long post, lol im at work and it looks bad when im starring at the screen reading lol
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Post by Commish on Aug 31, 2006 10:50:46 GMT -5
guys...we are going to put this to rest today...i threw my thoughts out to the comittee and im going to let them give their input...then we will make a decision.
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Post by pearljam on Aug 31, 2006 18:05:21 GMT -5
I like the choice . . . I will get my butt kicked even worse on All-Madden not to mention i will never make a field goal.
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Post by tdogg on Aug 31, 2006 18:34:57 GMT -5
where have you been lol. nice to see u back
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Post by Poundtherock on Aug 31, 2006 18:51:03 GMT -5
PJ, I want to borrow your avatar to use in another thread. I will take good care of it.
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Post by tdogg on Aug 31, 2006 22:07:44 GMT -5
damn without this topic now i dont know what to do with myself there isnt another topic i can put so much thought and effort into
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